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    Must read!!InshAllah

    Army believes Kashmir freedom is near

    India seeks face-saving for resolution of crisis

    By Kamran Khan

    KARACHI: Pakistani military leadership under President General Musharraf is "absolutely confident" that the freedom struggle in Kashmir has entered a crucial phase where an Indian military adventurism along the Line of Control or the working boundary would trap the Indian army in a Vietnam or Afghanistan-like situation and hasten the freedom process for the Kashmiri Muslims.

    Interviews with officials, familiar with the current thinking at the General Headquarters (GHQ), revealed the government of Pakistan has also determined that the recent international efforts for mediation, particularly from Russia, represent an implicit Indian desire to extricate itself from an untenable diplomatic and military posture.

    "In such a situation when the much awaited phase of international diplomacy is just beginning, how can we give India a head start," says a senior official, explaining the logic behind General Musharraf's hard-line address to the nation on Monday. "Actual concessions to India can only be part of give and take during bilateral negotiations."

    Relevant Pakistani officials believe that the robust military preparedness by the Pakistani Army, Navy, Air Force -- all three forces now equipped with tactical nuclear weapons -- and an expected "impetus" to anti-military guerrilla activities by the freedom fighters may turn the Indians' dream for a decisive war in Kashmir into a nightmare for the Indian military.

    This military perception, enunciated very recently by the Military Operations Directorate, Commander Corps 10, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and other relevant military formations, contributed to the General Musharraf's address to the nation during which he resolutely refused to give further concessions to the Indian military on Monday.

    General Musharraf, a veteran of 1965 and 1971 wars with India, is also considered to be one of the most important architects of the military's Kashmir strategy. The general had gained a rare insight into India's military capabilities, while serving as Pakistan Army's Director-General Military Operations (DGMO) in the early 1990s.

    A military source said: "Operational plans on Kashmir made under Musharraf at the MO (Military Operations Directorate) still form the core of the current strategy of the Pakistan Army in Kashmir."

    He added: "As far as the military strategy and planning is concerned, Gen Musharraf is far ahead than the ageing Indian prime minister." Last week, General Musharraf and the top brass of Pakistani military establishment decided to stand firm on Kashmir policy after unanimously agreeing that the recent military posturing by India may ultimately push the Indian military into an even deeper strategic quagmire in Kashmir. "Which army of the world can wage war when it is being attacked by its own people from right, left, front and the back," asked a senior Pakistani military source. "Once the hostilities break out, can anyone perceive any other scenario for the Indian army in Kashmir."

    To meet the likely military scenario in Kashmir, one of the most important military moves made recently by the GHQ was to deploy a major chunk of Pakistani Special Services Groups (SSG) commandos all along the Line of Control for penetration -- in case of Indian military strike -- into held Kashmir, where friendly population and battle-hardened Kashmiri guerrillas are desperate to embrace them for a decisive military push, leading to complete liberation.

    Sources close to two banned Jihadi groups have, meanwhile, disclosed in separate interviews in Karachi that they were "not bothered" by the recent decision of the military government to take new measures to block the traffic of freedom fighters from Pakistan into held Kashmir.

    Responding to suggestions from the US government, the Pakistani military leaders had decided last week to introduce new security measures to stop the movement of Kashmiri militants from Azad Kashmir to held Kashmir. "Three layers of security positions manned round the clock by the heavily armed Indian troops can't stop us from reaching destinations well inside Kashmir Valley," vowed a Jihadi, who gave his name as Abu Hamza. "How can Pakistani troops do something that 12 divisions of Indian army so grossly failed to achieve," he adds.

    Other Jihadi sources said that because of favourable weather condition hundreds of fresh militants had entered Kashmir in April and in the first three weeks of the current month, until a few days before the military government announced fresh measures to stop infiltration into held Kashmir.

    Local Jihadi sources have revealed that in the past few weeks they received numerous calls for help from various Muslim groups in Indian state of Gujarat and Maharashtra, where thousands of Muslims were killed and their properties were destroyed in the worst anti-Muslim riots that had erupted in March this year. "In the wake of a war with Pakistan, Indian Muslims would give the biggest surprise to Indian security forces all over mainland India," Abu Hamza remarked.

    President Musharraf's Monday's speech in general and his remarks about attacks on Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and scheduled caste by "extremist Hindu terrorists" appear to have won him a rare appreciation from the Pakistani militant religious quarters. "The freedom struggle in Kashmir has primed to a point where the final push for liberation seems to be the logical next phase," says (retd) Colonel Salman Ahmed, one of the most reputed special forces officer of the Pakistan Army. "Neither can we nor the Indian army forget what happened in the former East Pakistan, where the Indian army has timed its military intervention with the full bloom insurgency," says Col Salman, who thought that the Indian leadership would commit a Himalayan blunder by igniting a military confrontation in Kashmir. "Kashmir is going to repeat the scenes of insurgency and the final acts of a liberation struggle seen in the last days of former East Pakistan, but now the key actors have changed sides," declared Col Salman.

    Pakistan military sources also draw some comfort from the fact that an unprecedented concentration of Indian military resources in Kashmir has stripped India of numerical superiority of its troops deployed along the international borders. "For a conventional military ground offensive, a numerical superiority of 3:1 is usually desired but because of heavy concentration in Kashmir, Indian military can hardly maintain that kind of numerical strength along the international borders," says an official source. For its part, Pakistani official sources said, a favourable situation on ground in Kashmir allows complete strategic manoeuvrability for the strike corps of the Pakistan Army positioned at Mangla and Multan.

    Informed sources said that to meet an all-out war situation with India, the Strategic Command Force -- the central military organisation that control Pakistan's nuclear assets -- was reviewing the recent reported movement of tactical nuclear weapons by the Indian forces. "All the money, research and energy spent on developing tactical and strategic assets would go waste if we do not meet this great threat to the security of Pakistan by keeping these assets wrapped somewhere in lock and key," commented a senior Pakistani official.

    As the Pakistan Navy successfully test-fired a medium range ship-to-ship missile, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead on Tuesday, flotilla of Pakistan Navy frigates and submarines was engaged in aggressive patrolling of the sea, senior Pakistani officials said. The Pakistan Navy has also commissioned its surveillance aircraft such as P-3 Orion and Atlantique to collect real-time maritime intelligence on Indian naval patrolling.

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    The bJP has conered itself again with no exit strategy in sight. If we play our cards cleverly like PM mostly does we will again out wit these baboons.

    Inshallah

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    Re: Must read!!InshAllah

    Originally posted by zeeshan
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    As the Pakistan Navy successfully test-fired a medium range ship-to-ship missile, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead on Tuesday,
    Which missile is this they are talking about?



    Overall, a very realistic scanerio from a Pakistani propective.

    I do like to make a statement over here for those who think that President Musharraf has "sold out" Kashmire cause: He or any other Pakistani could never in their wildest imagination think of doing this.

    I think the reason these Kuffar are coming to these hindus side that they actually see what will happen to their "investments" in Hindu Bharat when these Hindus are going to run for their lives, Inshallah Allaah Al-Adl!
    H Khan

    Pakistanis (irrespective of their standing in society) exult gossip, paranoia, superstition, and conspiracy theories more than the science of history- H Khan

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    Army believes Kashmir freedom is near
    Inshallah.......

    Relevant Pakistani officials believe that the robust military preparedness by the Pakistani Army, Navy, Air Force -- all three forces now equipped with tactical nuclear weapons
    As the Pakistan Navy successfully test-fired a medium range ship-to-ship missile, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead on Tuesday, flotilla of Pakistan Navy frigates and submarines was engaged in aggressive patrolling of the sea, senior Pakistani officials said.
    Which missile did the PN test?? Was it the Abdali, tested today??
    This statement IF accurate brings to question has the PN developed a cruise missile. The article has also stated that the missile can be fitted with a nuclear warhead and is a ship-ship missile, which would originally suggest the testing of an anti ship missile i.e. SM39 but due to the nuclear warhead bit, this cannot be the case. As far as SLBMs are concerned well... we dont have the platform to launch it. Or is this another case of misreporting.
    “In times of conflict the soldier does not control the war, rather the war controls the soldier. Occasionally, in the midst of such chaos and insanity windows of opportunity appear open to exploitation. It is how the window of opportunity is exploited, by the soldier, that defines the battle.... a battle which upholds the fallacy of the soldier in control of the war” (Anonymous).

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    We know about this guy, Kamran Khan, didn't we talk about his crap reporting before here?

    I know Kashmir would be a nightmare for the Indian Army, but this guy is oversimplifying things. It's not going to be a walk in the park for us either.
    Maisum Ali

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    America, your deadly habits, got us all up in the mix
    War without, war within, holy war, mortal sin
    Tell me - huh, what's the origin?
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    Actually this Kamaran Khan guy is pretty anti pakistan in his reports, but this is the first time he has written something that is not completley anti pakistan. Still i think there is a lot of truth in his latest article.

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    Re: Must read!!InshAllah

    Originally posted by zeeshan
    Army believes Kashmir freedom is near

    India seeks face-saving for resolution of crisis

    By Kamran Khan





    To meet the likely military scenario in Kashmir, one of the most important military moves made recently by the GHQ was to deploy a major chunk of Pakistani Special Services Groups (SSG) commandos all along the Line of Control for penetration -- in case of Indian military strike -- into held Kashmir, where friendly population and battle-hardened Kashmiri guerrillas are desperate to embrace them for a decisive military push, leading to complete liberation.
    Situation is very different than what existed in June/July of 1965 when the opertion gibraltor was launched based on the same assumptions that Held Kashmir people will start a revolt and help the SSG who were sent to Kashmir then, and many of us know what happened, these days there is full scale freedom movement going on in Kashmir and I am sure when time comes, they will support and fight along with the SSG people, still i want concerned people to think through their plans and consider all the unexpected issues which can crop up and take into account all the worst case scenarios, I do not want a repeat of the same mistakes.



    Local Jihadi sources have revealed that in the past few weeks they received numerous calls for help from various Muslim groups in Indian state of Gujarat and Maharashtra, where thousands of Muslims were killed and their properties were destroyed in the worst anti-Muslim riots that had erupted in March this year. "In the wake of a war with Pakistan, Indian Muslims would give the biggest surprise to Indian security forces all over mainland India," Abu Hamza remarked.

    It is not that simple like Abu Hamza like to say. A large number of Indian are very loyal to India.


    UA

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by zeeshan
    [B]Army believes Kashmir freedom is near

    India seeks face-saving for resolution of crisis

    By Kamran Khan



    At one point, I used to admire Kamran Khan earlier because he used to report hard hitting news and analysis related to national security and intelligence issues. But for a while now his reporting has been often inaacurate and sometimes downright wrong - When the US began it's operations in Afghanistan last year, he reported in a series of reports that Osama and Co. are holed up in old ICBM silos in Wakhan strip and the US special forces and Spenatz were slowly surrounding the complex..........we all know how accurate that turned out.

    Reporters like him (who have 'sources' inside the military / intelliegnce ) are sometimes are used by the government to leak news which cannot be leaked directly - news which may be good for the morale of public. I'm sure there is some truth to what's contained in the latest piece of news but things on the ground are never so simple.

    One thing is certain though, even though in Principle I favor democracy, I am VERY GLAD that Gen. Musharraf is in charge, he is sincere to the country, has a brain and is cool uner pressure. If that Idiot Nawaz Sharif was incharge he would have no idea how to deal with India or If that traitorous Bitch Benazir was incharge, she would have sold out the country by now.

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    Re: Re: Must read!!InshAllah

    Originally posted by uazim


    Situation is very different than what existed in June/July of 1965 when the opertion gibraltor was launched based on the same assumptions that Held Kashmir people will start a revolt and help the SSG who were sent to Kashmir then, and many of us know what happened, these days there is full scale freedom movement going on in Kashmir and I am sure when time comes, they will support and fight along with the SSG people, still i want concerned people to think through their plans and consider all the unexpected issues which can crop up and take into account all the worst case scenarios, I do not want a repeat of the same mistakes.



    It is not that simple like Abu Hamza like to say. A large number of Indian are very loyal to India.


    UA
    Right before the operation in Chamb in August of 1965, SSG units under 11th division in a daring mission ambushed and captured an Indain artillery captain. From his dairy army found vauluable info on attack on Kasur, the orders were dated 26th August 1965.
    In another daring mission over looking samaba-Kathuha road, under the command of Col Mahdi's(SSG) party ambushed and kidnapped several Indian army combatants, one of them was a Indain army dispatcher with sack of army mail. The bag was flown to GHQ immediately where several colonels read every letter and came to the conclusion that Indian armored division was located in Samba area and made plans accordingly.

    Can SSG perform such daring missions as Kashmiris are whole haertedly with us?

    I bet they will?

    Long Live SSG

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    "The officer my son, not the poor bachae (kids) under him".

    That was the key to a "nishtar" (used to be an affectionate name for snipers). Alas, the shiny buttons are not there any more neither are the nice shining emblems on the badly cam-ed head wear. Things have changed slightly but the concept still remains.


    Instigating an effective rebellion behind enemy lines is both an "art" and a "science". The points need to be artiscally charismatic in order to inspire the initial rebellion. However, before all that, a meticulous and precise series of events and efforts need to be in place to take advantage of that momentary "inspiration". Communication lines and methods need to be in place. The local population needs to be coaxed into being overtly sympathetic to "change". Symbolism needs to be placed and general regard for this symbolism needs to be relatively widespread. Disgust for teh enemy and its military needs to be kept at a high standard. Affiliations and "assistants" of the enemy need to be accounted for. Terrain and local geographical advantages need to be accounted and visually inspected. Response times of para units and their intensity needs to be evaluated, along with teh extent of terror they would use to put down an instigator's assistants.

    It is this scientific nature of instigating rebellions which allows for communication, co-ordination, repulsive actions and sabotage that is harmonious to regular military.

    Without the science their no momentum in the rebellion. Without the art, it never sparks.


    Things in Kashmir are not as rosy as some think they are, but they are alot better than those weeks in August 65. Then the science of it was completely missing, due mainly to a population frightened by tough reprisals by the occupying forces, coupled with an over whelming desire to "avert" hostilities at whatever cost, trusting that the Pakistanis will be more forgiving than the Indians. History proved this aspect of their assumption to be very right.


    Things are better than 65.


    We know that, they know that and so do a few people in Kashmir not playing for this side.
    Last edited by afridi; 05-30-2002 at 01:13 AM.

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    Originally posted by Maisum Ali


    I know Kashmir would be a nightmare for the Indian Army, but this guy is oversimplifying things. It's not going to be a walk in the park for us either.
    Agreed, it is not going to be so simple.
    If there are factors in Pakistan's favour now as in the anti indian feelings among kashmiris which were absent in 1965, on the flipside there are also a whole set of factors which were better in 1965.

    There is for instance a large qualitative gap in equipment which exists today that wasn't a factor in 65.This is particularly true in comparisons between the two air forces.The IAF with its BVR capabilities and its fleet of MIG29s, Mirage2Ks and Suhkoi 30's is a far cry from the one the PAF faced and bettered in 65.

    At sea neither side may be able to mount tactical operations as the raid on Dwarka by PN in 65 or by the IN against Karachi in 71 but the IN has got an edge in strategic operations i.e. blockading Pakistan's sea lanes without the PN being able to return the favour.

    Unlike in 65, the PA may not have the suprise element as it did when mounting Operation Grandslam aginst Akhnur.The PA is expected to attack along corridors in the Punjab and the IA has spent some time preparing defensive measures there even to the extent of creating IIRc special divisions to deal with the PA thrust.(RAPIDS or Reorganised Army Plains Infantry Divisions)

    While it will seek to contain the PA in the Punjab the IA will attack in the Rajasthan sector towards...whatelse? RYK(Rahim Yar Khan)Junction.

    In short if a war does come it is neither going to be short nor sweet.

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    "One thing is certain though, even though in Principle I favor democracy, I am VERY GLAD that Gen. Musharraf is in charge, he is sincere to the country, has a brain and is cool uner pressure. If that Idiot Nawaz Sharif was incharge he would have no idea how to deal with India or If that traitorous Bitch Benazir was incharge, she would have sold out the country by now."

    Murad, the problem with al our politicians (except Liaquat Ali, who did manage to take 1/4 of the Kashmir) they do not know how to take a bold stand in a crisis. Look what nawaz did when he met clinton. why did he have to run to washington. remember clinton also asked vajpayee to come but he refused bluntly and here we have our f***in politicians who waste no time in screaming like a kid.

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