Unrest in Balochistan

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Originally Posted by FarazA

Are you in capable of reading sir? I commented on the above news and It was more a question then a statement. So go have some cold water and chill out. ;)

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FarazA

this is the last time you are responding to someone with such unwarranted sarcasm.....consider it last warning.:mad:

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Originally Posted by FarazA

Thank you for your post Saad. I understood that it was a wrong image to have but that was the lasting and comforting one, if you know what I mean. Anyways, I agreed about number of casualties being different and it is not clear at this point and you are correct about closing up some of the fronts. Quick comprises and cease fire would be a good start, however other parties and people will try to take full advantage of this situation and will cause chaos, like they are already doing in Quetta. I hope this all stop soon and won't come to the one like in early 71 or so? I read some where that 3k people died in that one, again not sure if that number is correct or not?

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FarazA

you rimage is baseless, there have been number of missions where Special ops have lost in different armies. Its time to correct your impression of super humans in our or any military. US seals have been beaten, so have rangers, Russian special ops were beaten in Afghanistan, and Israelis just got beaten by lebanese.

Time to rethink.....

NOTICE: this is the end of this discussion here, this is not the thread for this discussion.

Asalaamo-a-laikum.

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Originally Posted by H Khan

A little correction: It was at the time Abu Bakr as the khalifa.

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Thanks. I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by JunaidNasir

After reading some of the above comments made by a lot of the members of rejoice at the death of a 80 year old man, i am sad n appauled. Sad bcause atleast try to understand the gist of the problem, see why majority of the baluchi are anti federal govt? y are they up in arms?
Any person who has been to sui will tell u that 99% pf the employees in sui are ppl who are from out side baluchistan namely punjab. Ok, baluchi may not literate so they may not be able to handle techenicl jobs but they can at least fullfil posts of gardeners, chokidars etc, now how would u feel if some one is living in ur house n is using ur resources but is paying some 1 else, now i for 1 will be agrived sure as hell.

You take gas from sui but sui city does not have gas at least till a couple of years ago.

These are a few of the injustices that i am talkin about.

But do let me say i congratulate our brillient policy makers for this masterful stroke by which they have gifted a whole provience to enemies of Pak, to do as they like. How intelligent to kill a 80 year old man , with failling kidneys , a man who surely would have died man in another couple of years of natural causes.

These same asses who made nawab akbar when he was a nobody by distroying nawab of kalat. Like a very good friend of mine says, Our "not so intelligent agencies" first take a small fistfull of dust n mould it into a statue, than they put life into it n nurture it till it grows n grows into a monster, now to contain/distroy this monster they create another statue. n so this goes on.

I pray to ALLAH n urge all members to pray that Pak comes out of this whole episode unscrached n in 1 piece, bcause the ramafication of just wt happened are scary even to think of.

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I second these thoughts 100%. Regardless of what life he lived, his death in such a fashion has bad omen for us.

From the events it seems that death of Akbar bugti was accidental law enforcement agencies never intended to kill him.It was the cave where Bugti was in just caved in.It is better that proper post mortem to be done to ascertain the real causes of death in a transparent manor.
If army intended to kill him he would have been a history since long it is better to have a proper inquiry done through the court.If it was accidental it is a must to prove it to the people in open manor.

People in Balochistan are uneducated because all past governments (civilian or military) chose to ignore social and economic development in the 'poorest and yet the most energy and mineral rich province' of Pakistan (sounds ironic doesn't it?). The province which has been feeding the rest of the Pakistan gas for power generation and domestic consumption for over 3 decades doesn't have gas lines catering to all of it's own population even in this age and time.

Sardar or no Sardar, if federal government continues to ignore the economic and social development of Balochistan we'll not see an end to this insurgency, ever. We need to learn the art of countering insurgencies from the Chinese, they remove the head of the problem and then economically develop the area so that the people have no reason to turn to arms for their basic rights. Pakistan has removed the head of the problem, now lets see if Musharraf will bring economic prosperity to the people of Balochistan.

Just to let you know that the royalties were paid to Bugti tribe in return they promised to spend the royalties spread the line to other areas of Balochistan. Alas, they spend the money for their own fort, buying arms and training rebels.

Now there is no Bugti, no ghosts to haunt. Lets see if Balochistan sees any difference in it's infrastructure over the course of next few years.

the big fish are marris.

mengals and marris have been trained in russia and in the militaries of oman so pakistan fauj will face heavy problems.

they still managed to kill 25 ssg commandos by firing through a cave .

DailyTimes.

* 3 killed as riots rock Balochistan, Karachi
* Scores of buildings and vehicles on fire
* Curfew imposed, lifted in Quetta
* Punjabis attacked
* Nationalists announce 15-day mourning and strike today

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Originally Posted by M Abdullah

DailyTimes.

* 3 killed as riots rock Balochistan, Karachi
* Scores of buildings and vehicles on fire
* Curfew imposed, lifted in Quetta
* Punjabis attacked
* Nationalists announce 15-day mourning and strike today

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There we go. I really hope that this stops just right here, we don't need any more of this, we have already seen enough riots. :(

No sir, this will not stop here. These are the repercussions I was referring to, and quite frankly, be prepared to expect more: assassination attempts and what not.

Nonetheless, we must have the courage and the determination to go through this. This is not the time to be intimidated or be afraid of such events; rather this is the time to see it through till the light at the end of the tunnel is right above the head.

Mush as the saying goes "moo toh kalah kar liyah hah" now to end this once n for all is to go all the way ie to to kill the marri n the mangals, now is not the time to wink or stop or talk, that time is long gone.

A decision has been made, good or baddoes not matter, wt matters is the reality on the ground. If musharaf stops now than i am afraid n mark my words Pakistan as we know it will be gone in due course. So dont stop n finish it once n for all.

N while ur at it, i suggest that mush load up all the opp in a ship n than blow it up.

Bugti’s death regrettable, says Najam Sethi

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-8-2006_pg7_13

LAHORE: Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s death in a military operation is regrettable and the incident will have long-term negative implications, said Daily Times Editor Najam Sethi.

Speaking in a Geo television programme on Sunday, Mr Sethi said the government had wrongly assumed that Bugti was leading the insurgency in Balochistan and that his death would end the provincial crisis. “Bugti was not leading the insurgency in Balochistan. He was only leading his tribe. He did not join the insurgency despite efforts by the Mengals, Marris and other tribes,” said Mr Sethi, adding that the government should have isolated Bugti from other insurgents but surprisingly it pushed him towards them.
He said the government made its first mistake by pushing Bugti on the insurgents’ side and then by stopping negotiations with him. He added that the government did not want to target Bugti because it could have hit him anytime it wanted to. “The security forces had attacked militants hiding in the area and Bugti was killed accidentally,” he said, adding, “There is foreign intervention in Balochistan and Akbar Bugti is now a hero for every Baloch youth, prompting them to join the insurgency.” daily times monitor

Politicians fear more instability

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...8-8-2006_pg1_3

* Jamali says no one will see Bugti’s killing as the right decision

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Politicians have voiced concern that the killing of tribal chief Nawab Akbar Bugti in a military operation will lead to further instability in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan.

“It’s a very sad incident. We respected Nawab Akbar Bugti a lot, as he was a veteran Baloch politician,” said former prime minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali.

He said it was too early to comment on how other tribal chiefs, including the Mengal and Marri sardars, would react to the killing. “However, no one would consider it a right decision.”

Makhdoom Amir Fahim, president of the Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians (PPPP), said the government should not have used force against the Bugti tribal chief.

He said the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy (ARD) would register a strong protest against the killing. He demanded that Nawab Bugti’s body be handed over to his family. Raja Zafarul Haq, chairman of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), said the disputes between Bugti and the government should have been resolved through dialogue, not force. He said the recommendations of the parliamentary committee on Balochistan should have been implemented in letter and spirit. He said Bugti was not only a tribal leader but a representative of all of Balochistan.

Mr Haq said the incident would affect the economy and inter-provincial relationships. “The long-term outcome of Bugti’s killing will weaken the federation of Pakistan,” he added. Qazi Hussain Ahmad, president of the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, accused the government of killing Bugti for the sole purpose of power. Bugti’s death would make it even more difficult for the government to maintain peace in Balochistan and would increase hatred of the army, he added.

Senator Tariq Azeem, minister of state for information, disagreed and said Bugti’s killing would not create problems for the government. He said the Bugti chief and his supporters were engaged in anti-state activities and running training camps to teach militants to target security forces and the civilian population. He said Bugti’s killing was a message to “all miscreants” to abandon anti-state activities.

Lt-General (r) Asad Durrani, former director general of Inter-Services Intelligence, said Bugti was more dangerous to the government dead than alive.

Guys, all this have litte to do with "the history of Pakistan" as this forum was meant for. I am locking the thread and all further discussion should be here:

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