SSG Operations

[Awais A]

This thread is related to Special Services Group operations which have been done over the time within and outside the Pakistan boarders. Would like details and possibly pictures aswell. Some of the operations that come to mind are the seige of Kaba where Paksitan SSG was called in, During 71 SSG was assigned to safeguard Navel ship harboured in Dhaka and so on. Hoping to hear more of such incidents from all.

[SSAAD]

This thread is related to Special Services Group operations which have been done over the time within and outside the Pakistan boarders. Would like details and possibly pictures aswell. Some of the operations that come to mind are the seige of Kaba where Paksitan SSG was called in, During 71 SSG was assigned to safeguard Navel ship harboured in Dhaka and so on. Hoping to hear more of such incidents from all.

Awais,

From all accounts that I have or seen, the story about SSG being present during the seige of Kaba is not true. I know that Pakistani formations (regular Army) were present as part of Khalid Bin Waleed Brigade that was stationed in KSA at that time. However the Saudi Special forces were the ones who raided the Kaba and were supposedly advised by a western SF (French from what I have read).

But there could be more about this that I am not aware of.

[arsalan shah]

salam,
thanks brother for making this thread because i am also thinking to make a thread like that in which we all can discuss the operations conducted by the SSG and plz if any one have any information about the recent and old operation s please share with us. :) :)

[Awais A]

Well if my information is correct there was a plan to takeout enemy Artillery in a SSG operation which would enable the PA to get much needed supplies to the soldiers on high grounds. That operation was never executed. I wonder if someone with exact knowledge could fill in with details.

[SSAAD]

Well if my information is correct there was a plan to takeout enemy Artillery in a SSG operation which would enable the PA to get much needed supplies to the soldiers on high grounds. That operation was never executed. I wonder if someone with exact knowledge could fill in with details.

You have to give a better context. There is a lot of information about operations like this in the book "SSG: Tareekh kay aieenay may". Not sure of a specific one but during the 1965 war, some of the SSG companies deployed along the IB did carry our quite a few operations against Indian armour and artillery positions. IIRC, Capt Shamim Alam Khan of the SSG (later CJCSC) was awarded SJ for conducting such ops against the Indian army.

[Awais A]

Well my mistake for keeping it a bit fuzzy. I was talking about the Kargil conflict in this regard. Well and if i can get it from a book then y i need to start a thread for it or for that matter y start a forum.

[SSAAD]

Well my mistake for keeping it a bit fuzzy. I was talking about the Kargil conflict in this regard. Well and if i can get it from a book then y i need to start a thread for it or for that matter y start a forum.

Awais,

Look up the Kargil thread. We specifically talked about some of the SSG participants there as well.

Here are a couple of links to get you started. Take stuff out of these and then post your questions. In this way we have a context and a starting point. To be a good participant in the discussions, you have to bring your research to the table as well.. ;)

Go here:http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army/index.html
Click on institutions tab and select SSG, there is a brief mention of Kargil as not a lot has been disclosed about the actions there due to the recent and sensitive nature of the operations.

Then (this is a good one) check this SSG thread out from the past (I started this thread in 2002). We had some really decent discussions about the SSG, its roles etc. and comparison to other contemporary SFs:
http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3212&highlight=special+forces

lastly, take a look at the Kargil thread here:
http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8167

[Awais A]

Great links mate thanks. Great read and also very informative indeed from the conception to the very gear used by SSG and SSGN. Nywayz after going through it couple question have come to mind.
1- Why the Air Marshal role abandon by SSG?
2- Why is in the comparision with the Indian Special forces the Hostage recovery is present on that side but within the qualities of SSG no such mention?

[SSAAD]

Great links mate thanks. Great read and also very informative indeed from the conception to the very gear used by SSG and SSGN. Nywayz after going through it couple question have come to mind.
1- Why the Air Marshal role abandon by SSG?
2- Why is in the comparision with the Indian Special forces the Hostage recovery is present on that side but within the qualities of SSG no such mention?

1. The SSG trained air marhsals for the PIA and now they have their own training and recruitment. It was a waste to put SSG operators as air-Marshals (it was done out of necessity at the time since there was a shortage of trained man-power). SSG should be focused on its role which is to carry out special operations behind enemy lines and roles such as Air Marshals only distracts it in my opinion.

2. Hostage rescue type capability existed in SSG before this role came about on the Indian side afaik. They formed NSG as their primere CT/AT force, we had a combat-diver company known as Musa diverted into this role in the early 80s. Initual instructions came from SAS advisors for this and a few other western countries. Later on, the CT tasking was given to SSG's Zarrar company (which continues to this day afaik). This company is based out of Tarbela (as in contrast to the rest of the SSG being based either in Cherat or Attock). They have dedicated training facilities such as Kill houses etc. at Tarbela for the training of this company. Eventually this team may be relocated to a central location in Pakistan so it can be dispatched to any part of Pakistan relatively quickly should (God forbid) a need arise.

This is the top tier of CT/AT capability within Pakistan. Now other police departments and Paramilitary rangers also have HRTs and teams for dynamic entries/arrests as well.