Chinese Arms Sales to Pakistan After 9/11

[ali]

source: http://www.afpc.org

China's arms supplies to Pakistan

October 26: Since mid-September Beijing has supplied Pakistan with advanced
weapons including anti-air missiles, communications facilities, and tanks in
order to deal with the threat of war, the Hong Kong Sing Tao Jih Pao
reports. Among the weapons delivered, China provided the Pakistani army with
the LY-60N ground-to-air missile, a navy-based medium-to-low range,
all-weather missile system. It is used primarily to intercept up to 40
military aircraft and missiles flying at medium-to-low range. The system
uses a semi-automatic consecutive wave-induced guidance system, and has
strong fighting, interception and disruption capability. China has also
offered Pakistan ground-to-air missiles which could be used by the army. The
two types of missiles are reported to be the most advanced air defense
missiles in China. [Editor: The "war threat" is focused on India and efforts
by any nation that would target Pakistan's nuclear weapons systems.]

[Aziz]

The most advanced SAM's in China (S-300) or their most advanced indeginous system?

Aziz

[FarazA]

For some reasons I get so happy when I hear about Pakistan getting new SAMs. :D :D :D Either one their own or S300. I think it is a great news.

[azeemchoudhary]

how does the s300 compare to the LY60N and what are their capabilities? and does any one know where i can get a picture of the 2 systems?

thanx

[FarazA]

Contractor Shanghai Academy of Space Flight Technology (SAST)
Entered Service
Total length 3.69 m
Diameter 203 mm
Wingspan 1 m
Weight 220 kg
Warhead Weight 33 kg
Propulsion single stage solid rocket
Maximum Speed Mach 4
Maximum effective range AA - PL-10 60 km (head on attack)
SAM LY-60 18 km
Guidance mode Semi-Active Radar Homing
Single-shot hit probability


You can get more info and picutres on WWW.Fas.Org

[azeemchoudhary]

thanks farazA

Azeem

[Sultan]

"Since mid-September Beijing has supplied Pakistan with advanced weapons including anti-air missiles, communications facilities, and tanks in order to deal with the threat of war, ..."

Tanks???

Since when did we get tanks from China recently?? This probably is another case of misreporting.

[Maisum Ali]

Navy to build frigates, says Aziz


By Our Staff Correspondent

QUETTA, Nov 17: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza has emphasized the need for attaining higher level of professionalism and dedicating oneself to the sacred mission of the country's defence.

"The strength of faith and commitment to cause are virtues of a soldier," Mirza said while speaking to students, officers and the faculty at Command and Staff College here on Tuesday.

The Naval chief dilated upon geo-political environment, threat perception and the measures adopted by the Pakistan Navy to safeguard maritime interests of the country.

Responding to a question, he said that indigenization, promotion of defence experts and organizational restructuring will go a long way in strengthening the Pakistan Navy.

"We are building very sophisticated submarines and shall start construction of frigates in the not too distant future," he maintained.

On the potential of indigenous defence production, Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza stated that the defence exhibition - IDEAS-2000 - was testimony to the fact that Pakistan was full of potential in this field.

Speaking about the Indian militarization, the Naval Staff said the Indian Navy's budget had increased 6,900 times since 1971.


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Is he talking about the Jiangwei frigates? Or is it just pure BS?

[MohammedA]

"Speaking about the Indian militarization, the Naval Staff said the Indian Navy's budget had increased 6,900 times since 1971. "

Why always this moaning and groaning about Indian defence spending?? Evevrybody knows we are hostile neighbours, so of course they are going to spend whatever they see fit on their military, and what ever they think will give them an edge in battle. How much this affects their 500m+ poor is not our concern, we have enough to worry about our own population.

If we want to compete with India over kashmir or anything else in the region, then we will simply have to radically improve our economy or just forget it. But enough of this whining, it's really irritating as if we had the money we would also increase our budgets and get all the goodies that we want.

[Boota Masih]

MohammedA

Are we hostile neighbours, or they have hegemonistic tendencies? I think Indian military spending and ambitions go far beyond legitmate defence. Pakistan is India's only neighbour, which is not subserviant to it and thank god for that. One has to visit a place like Nepal to realise how lucky we are to still be able to look India in the eye. Have no illusions about India, they'll screw Pakistan the first chance they get and they have done it in the past.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, I don't think we will ever get Kashmir by force and the Pakistani military leadership knows it too. But, by maintaining a level of insurgency in Kashmir helps Pakistan in keeping large part of the Indian Army permantely bogged down at a huge cost without having to allocate too much of of its own resources. My guess (based on good information) is that Pakistan does not spend more than $25mm overall per year on the Kashmir cause. India on the other hand is forced to spend 10 to 20 times more on its counter insurgency effort in Kashmir and has 600,000 military and para-military personnel permanently bogged down there. So Kashmir makes a lot of fiscal sense for Pakistan because if the Indian resources were not being drained like this they would become available for hardware purchases and buidling an offensive capability aimed primarily at Pakistan, which would be even more difficult for Pakistan to counter, financially. Also, Kashmir has been a drag on India on the international scene and negatively impact its image. It has been a major hurdle in its efforts to get a permanent Security Council seat. So net net, Kashmir is drag on India more than it is on Pakistan, the name of the game is to keep it that way.

[MohammedA]

Boota sahib,

The effects on India of the Kashmir insurgency are well-known. It is basically a strategy of "death by a thousand cuts". India's hegominist designs and regional bullying and mistreatment of its minorities is also well-known - at least regionally.
My question is knowing all these facts and knowing their intentions towards Pakistan, isn't it obvious that with greater economic power, they will spend more on their military and attempt to modernise it? Surely, if we want to maintain a minimum conventional detterence, we will need to spend at least some more money, and for that we need a stronger economy, not dependent of IMF or others?

[SyedA]

Some interesting details on J-10, thaks to CMF and kanwa

There have been indications that China's J10 fighter is about to put into preliminary production. On November 25, 2000, Li Wen Zhong, the Director of No. 611 Research Institute who is in charge of the development of J10 fighter, said in an internal report that the No. 611 Institute had already completed the research and development of China's third generation fighter aircraft, and the overall standard of the fighter is at the forefront of the third generation fighters.

J10 is taken by China as her "third generation fighter". In the same report, Li said the cockpit of the aircraft adopts an upgraded HUD and 3 MFD. The fighter has 4-redundency FBW systems and can perform the cobra action. Up to the present time, China has at least developed 2 sets of 4-redundency FBW system. China's Air Aviation Automatic Control Research Institute also developed 635 4-redundency FBW system which very likely has something to do with J10. Li claimed in the report that the expenses on the development of J10 was as much as RMB 10 billion yuan.

[Rauf]

Chinese Firm is also working on WS-14 Enginee for the F-10, supopse to be same class as AL-31 varient. Thus a possibility for PAF to acquire J-10, since China is not authorized to sell it with AL-31.

My 2 coppers worth.